Me, Amber and Melana were the ones who where bowdriling.  It was the first time the bowdrill kit had been used so we had to start a new hole. We got it going within the first couple of tries. The only thing that we needed to do was make the hole for the spindle a bit bigger. We got smoke within the first 20 to 30 seconds and dark dust was coming out of the bowdrill hole.  But we still could not get a coal because we needed to carve the notch first, and then the spindle popped out. But we had to keep bowing for another minute or so before we could start carving the notch out.  But our knifes where too dull so we got some help with it.  Once the notch was all carved out and we made the hand hold more comfortable, we got the coal in a minute or two. But all the wood was not completely ready so we put the coal in the tinder bundle and kept it alive until the wood was ready. It was a big coal once we got it gong. Then we put it into the fire place and once we got some good size wood on it, it was a nice warm fire.